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So I had a bit of a rant and thought I'd save it...
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So I had a bit of a rant and thought I'd save it...
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01:15 * xOr figures python wont last for ob4, but we'll see
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* xOr figures python wont last for ob4, but we'll see
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01:15 (xOr) since theres only so much you can do
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(xOr) since theres only so much you can do
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01:15 (xOr) and some added config files/c code can do it all
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(xOr) and some added config files/c code can do it all
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01:16 (xOr) i mean, realisticly, how many people are going to make .py's
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(xOr) i mean, realisticly, how many people are going to make .py's
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01:16 (xOr) theyre going to ask me for a new feature
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(xOr) theyre going to ask me for a new feature
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01:16 (xOr) they wont write a py
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(xOr) they wont write a py
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01:16 (xOr) so a clean and smart c kernel with sub modules of C code would
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(xOr) so a clean and smart c kernel with sub modules of C code would
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probly be more optimal eventually
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probly be more optimal eventually
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01:17 (xOr) scripting was cool for gnus, but i wished i could just set it (mutt)
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(xOr) scripting was cool for gnus, but i wished i could just set it (mutt)
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01:17 (shrimpx) .so's would be cool in the absence of scripting, prolly
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(shrimpx) .so's would be cool in the absence of scripting, prolly
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01:17 (xOr) yea thats what im meaning
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(xOr) yea thats what im meaning
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01:17 (xOr) like engines, but for functions
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(xOr) like engines, but for functions
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01:18 (xOr) so youd replace bbappconf witha .so that can interact properly
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(xOr) so youd replace bbappconf witha .so that can interact properly
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01:18 (xOr) and you dont have to write all this crazy Python/c at all and you
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(xOr) and you dont have to write all this crazy Python/c at all and you
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end up with something easier to configure
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end up with something easier to configure
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01:18 (xOr) with less effort
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(xOr) with less effort
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01:20 (@xOr) also less room for pregnancy [strong typing is good] with all C
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(@xOr) also less room for pregnancy [strong typing is good] with all C
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01:21 (@xOr) and less 'my python script wont load, tteach me python xor'
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(@xOr) and less 'my python script wont load, tteach me python xor'
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01:44 (@xOr) what i figure would happen over slow evolution course is..
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(@xOr) what i figure would happen over slow evolution course is..
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01:44 (@xOr) python modules would be converted to python/c inline shit
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(@xOr) python modules would be converted to python/c inline shit
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01:44 (shrimpx) xOr: you know that some wacko is going to embed python in an .so
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(shrimpx) xOr: you know that some wacko is going to embed python in an .so
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1:45 (@xOr) shrimpx: and itd probly be better
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(@xOr) shrimpx: and itd probly be better
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01:45 (@xOr) shrimpx: cuz it would do less stuff
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(@xOr) shrimpx: cuz it would do less stuff
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01:45 (shrimpx) less stuff == less defensive programming against moron
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(shrimpx) less stuff == less defensive programming against moron
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extension programmers
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extension programmers
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01:45 (@xOr) yea
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(@xOr) yea
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01:45 (@xOr) and less to try learn to use it
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(@xOr) and less to try learn to use it
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01:46 (@xOr) and less to screw up
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(@xOr) and less to screw up
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01:56 (@xOr) and for instance, if we were to look at emacs, which is the
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(@xOr) and for instance, if we were to look at emacs, which is the
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probably most popular scripted application
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probably most popular scripted application
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01:56 (@xOr) my .emacs is not crazy code
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(@xOr) my .emacs is not crazy code
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01:56 (@xOr) its some keybindings
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(@xOr) its some keybindings
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01:56 (@xOr) and setting variables
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(@xOr) and setting variables
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01:57 (shrimpx) yah but 99% of emacs functionality is in lisp
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(shrimpx) yah but 99% of emacs functionality is in lisp
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01:57 (@xOr) ya
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(@xOr) ya
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01:57 (@xOr) but thats not a reason to use it
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(@xOr) but thats not a reason to use it
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01:57 (@xOr) or a reason why its good
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(@xOr) or a reason why its good
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01:58 (@xOr) thats just the language of implementation
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(@xOr) thats just the language of implementation
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01:58 (shrimpx) even tho it's not .rc
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(shrimpx) even tho it's not .rc
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01:58 (@xOr) its good because entensions are written in the same language as
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(@xOr) its good because entensions are written in the same language as
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its implementation
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its implementation
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01:58 (@xOr) do vim plugins have access to the same amount of internals as
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(@xOr) do vim plugins have access to the same amount of internals as
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emacs entensions?
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emacs entensions?
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01:59 (shrimpx) no
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(shrimpx) no
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01:59 (@xOr) right
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(@xOr) right
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01:59 (@xOr) this i think is why emacs is better than vim
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(@xOr) this i think is why emacs is better than vim
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01:59 (@xOr) youcan write a crazy dope cvs.el
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(@xOr) youcan write a crazy dope cvs.el
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01:59 (@xOr) you can write shell.el
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(@xOr) you can write shell.el
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01:59 (@xOr) you cant do these with vim
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(@xOr) you cant do these with vim
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01:59 (@xOr) you can make hackish addons with keybindings
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(@xOr) you can make hackish addons with keybindings
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02:00 (@xOr) so if openbox has .so plugins, its equally as good for exteding as
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(@xOr) so if openbox has .so plugins, its equally as good for exteding as
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with python extensions
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with python extensions
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02:00 (@xOr) possibly better because you can access more
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(@xOr) possibly better because you can access more
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